Judiciously utilizing kingdom vice-royalties once your empire goes over the vassal limit the first time helps. I have a Byzantium game that I began in and reformed as the Roman empire in This would have been impossible to achieve and impossible to maintain across heirs without the careful use of vassal kingdoms. For a big enough kingdom enough duchies you would get more prestige from duke vassals than a king vassal. You can press de jure ducal claims for your vassals, but not your vassals vassals. The king can press his own de jure claims. You cannot press de jure kingdom claims for your king vassals. Kingdoms have their own crown laws crown authority, investitureeven when part of an empire I am not completely positive, especially with patch 1. Is it better to be emperor to kings or to dukes? A kingdom with an active title will not de jure drift into your empire unless the kingdom's de jure empire title exists. What are the advantages and disadvantages of giving away the King titles? CK2: Middle Earth Project (CK2:MEP) mod for Crusader Kings II I'm still on the fence about creating the Kingdom of Pomerania because I don't know enough to make an informed choice about structuring my Realm, and so long as I don't create the title my Pomeranian dukes and counts are happy as Baltic clams. I've heard on various CKII wikis that kings as vassals are naturally "uppity", but I haven't seen any solid discussion of the mechanics that make them so. I do already know that my Lithuanian dukes want the Kingdom and that has a hefty opinion penalty, but I don't know what sort of ambitions vassal kings have that might be worse. I've never played an Emperor though, so I'm unfamiliar with managing kings as vassals. I figure I can always remarry into those titles later anyway. Right now a Polish county and the Kingdom of Lithuania would go to my second son, which would mess with the borders of the two kingdoms in ways I don't like. Because I still have gavelkind succession Poland's starting Crown Laws suck and I haven't had enough rulers yet to get high enough Crown Authority to change to PrimogenitureI'm contemplating giving away the King of Lithuania title and maybe creating and giving away the King of Pomerania title, so that I can choose how the Realm is divided up instead of having bits and pieces randomly redistributed on succession. I also have enough of Pomerania to create that kingdom whenever I want. Arqade is a question and answer site for passionate videogamers on all platforms.
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